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Anthony James Hall's avatar

Free will and destiny should be exclusionary. And yet it seems they are not. Maybe the so-called "laws" of the universe-- of "nature"-- are much more limited that we are told. Maybe the universe in all its multitudinous multidimensional diversity is much more freedom loving, variable and impetuous than we have been told.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Exactly, the beginnings of cognitive dissonance for many people come from their most basic beliefs. Undoing the very roots of cognitive dissonance can be hard, but without recognition of very basic contradictions such as "Chosen People" vs. "Everyone is born equal", people will continue to fall prey to crafty purveyors of deception.

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elvia.Sara's avatar

There were prophecies all over the Bible that were written by different authors in different time periods and locations that were fulfilled. I think our attribution to the word prophecy and religion is out of context, a situation deliberately promoted to keep us from reaching accurate conclusions. In Biblical language, a prophesy is a revelation of something unknown and a prediction based on such knowing. It is not fortune telling or predestination. Predestination is antithetical to the teachings of the Bible. The prophets were men whose relationship with God was such that they were moved to guide the people. To prophesize is the equivalent of what today is regarded as giving counsel or ministry. Think of Jonah in Nineveh. He was astounded at what he saw when he walked into Nineveh. Men could not tell their right from their left, and he did what? He prophesied and how many thousands were saved in one day, and God did not destroy Nineveh.

Today is a time of the law written in our hearts. So we have many prophets because God’s law is in their hearts. Dr. Nagase is a prophet in the language of the Bible. He brings truth and understanding to help people make good decisions so they can avoid suffering.

Religions are juridical personalities. These things are not what most people think they are. They are created by the state to serve as instrumentalities of the state, and it has been like that for thousands of years. Religion has always served the government.

Men who know God do not need religion. What religion was Abraham? Methuselah, or Enoc? These men are known in the Bible as men who walked with God. They had no religion. They were not institutionalized. What you see today as Muslims, Jews, and Christians are in fact institutionalized people who are remnants of the Abrahamic Covenant. These are people who have had their identity as believers in the true God stolen, and who are being impersonated as legal persons. A form of voodoo witchcraft is performed on them. Religion serves as the vehicle in which to rebrand and manipulate people who are otherwise heretics of the Roman Church. So that now you have Muslims, christians, and Jews institutionalized by the Roman cult without their knowledge and consent so they can be coerced to commit crimes that they would otherwise not do.

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koppykat's avatar

Hi Daniel, nicely laid out. This will gel with a lot of ppl. Better yet I think will promote ppl less inclined to care about much-to see we do have the power to make a difference not only for our selves, but for the whole of good society the world over.

Make it happen ppl !

Much appreciated focal point.KK

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Al Chan's avatar

"If prophecy is an inevitable foretelling of the future" [This is true!]

then

"No one has the freedom to change the future." [NOOOOOO!]

Doc, you're wrong here – you, I and every human have the free will (Granted by GOD) and/or freedom (as restricted by laws/mental capacities/financial wealth/many other factors) to CHOOSE to attempt changing the prophecized future. But the Almighty GOD, Who is OUTSIDE of time and space, Who See and Direct how it will End, lovingly Reveal to us “things which MUST BE hereafter “ (Revelation 4:1b KJV) through HIS Words. In short, GOD's Sovereign Will Has Ordained/Permitted these Events to come to pass. So, be His Guest, try as much as we want to change/fight against what is stated in the Book of Revelation... we will NOT succeed because those Events are beyond human's power/authority/efforts to overcome, similar to the prophecized Great Flood (Noah could only build a life boat as Guided by GOD) or the Great Famine during Joseph's time. BTW, don't forget that, “the whole world is under the control of the evil one.” (1 John 5:19b NIV) and those who carry out the schemes own the Central Banks. And fallen|sinful men are selfish and self-preserving (I've just found one looking in the mirror) as depicted in all apocalyptic movies and stories. How many people can you trust with your life when you have a huge bounty on your head?

"If no one has the freedom to change the future" [please read the above]

then

"We are all robots with predetermined actions."

Eh... aren't we all “creatures of habit”? Dumb-ed down by fluoride, hijacked by vaccines & formula since birth, raised up by processed food and cool aids, indoctrinated by TV “programming”, public “schooling”, Mega Church “preaching”, motivational speakers' “teachings”....driven by Dopamine, seeking stimuli, avoiding boredom and pains. Many are popping Psychoactive pills. Many have an attention span less than a goldfish, many don't care any more – just want to “get High”, to escape with cat videos, tik tok memes, youtube shorts, alcohol, drugs, PORN... BTW, if living efficiently towards your goals means you must act like “robots with predetermined actions”, e.g. going through a checklist, everything on schedule, etc. EVERYDAY, won't you comply like a professional athlete?

"The only universe that is greater than a machine is a universe that has FREEDOM." [Yes – and that FREEDOM or Free Will is Offered by GOD. And HE Created this Universe we live in - Genesis 1:1 KJV In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. ]

"To believe in prophecies means we live in a Universe everything is “Fate” and there is no Freedom" [NO. To believe in BIBLICAL prophecies means we choose, by our own free will, to believe in a caring GOD Who tell us what are to come - Events that are way beyond our human will/strength/power/ability to change. Actually, Biblical Prophecies are independent from the human race – i.e. our knowing, understanding or belief. Dictators can/will burn ALL the Bibles, the intellectually disabled might never understand prophecies, atheists choose NOT to believe, people who go to church might never read or understand the Last Book and miss the Blessing (Revelation 1:3) – still, whatever were prophecized will happen in due time, just like all the prophecies of the Messiah were Fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. ]

"And when enough people choose Freedom, the future does change."

[No. I'm talking about Biblical Prophecies of the future (see above), NOT people's [mis-]interpretation of current events using biblical terms or misapplying the Biblical prophecies on news headlines.]

Dr. Nagase, have you ever read the Book of Revelation yourself (There is a Blessing in there – Revelation 1:3 KJV)? Have you account all those events objectively? Most events, if not all of them, are beyond human efforts to change/alter. For example, in 11:13 KJV -

At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. So, at that time, the survivors will find EXACTLY seven thousand corpses, not more or less. This is to testify the Omniscience of GOD, beyond time and space.

When enough|ALL people at that time choose FREEDOM, can they change that prophecized “outcome”? Can they even stop any earthquake?

Last but not least, I agree with you that people should not abuse Biblical Prophecies as an excuse of their inaction/not doing the right things. Many thanks for your blog – great analyses!

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Marc Smith's avatar

Hm. When I read the Bible what jumps out at me throughout is the deliberate normalization of pathological narcissism.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

There's a lot of very dark and vengeful passages in there.

https://danielnagase.substack.com/p/war-culture-secret-societies-of-architects

Vengeance is a key pillar for starting cycles of war

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

Love your philosophy doctor. Einstein as a determinists will not agree with your logical analysis. His universe is than with END? My Universe is ENDLESS because it is the UNIVERSE of FREEDOM. What let me to say this statement of my (or yours) is correct? If I am correct than I am an determinist? But me , just as Socrates declared , I know that I know NOTHING. And since I know nothing my Universe is ENDLESS. Because NOTHING is a space of no END. And shall I suggest LIFE as well, perhaps, is of no END?

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

You now know the paradox. This when I wrote the original version of this article it was about just that, and AI's. How Omniscience and the Omnipotence that arises from omniscience automatically creates something that it cannot know. (But I think that was a bit too far over people's heads at this point in history)

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

The paradox is, (if this is the proper word) a doctor save the life of 4 people with ivermectin, get fired for saving his patients, banned from Facebook, or even Trudeau Canada?, Wow, what huge crime committed. You have a unique imagination doctor, like nobody in my contacts,( most doctors). Einstein said "Imagination is more important than knowledge" You are not just a good freedom fighter, but also a deep thinker, a scientist and a philosopher, talking about the Second Law of thermodynamic with me, how photons( I consider the creators or carriers of life), overtime changing the stone in to living forms. Nietzsche wrote: "The higher we soar the smaller we appear to those who can not fly." I do fly, but still in training to catch up with you. Thanks for your thoughts. Complex but very interesting.

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ann watson's avatar

I agree Daniel. The Book of Revelation is not a document to be obedient about - its just a prophecy - not an instruction manuel...a warning of things to come and my understanding of it is that yeah - it could be beginning now but that earth still has 50, 000 years to go before the end. In all ages, people have thought the Apocaliypse was happening in their times.

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Marc Smith's avatar

Yes that’s interesting. Someone pointed out that in congress there are many devout Christians who facilitate Israel’s success at any corner because they wholeheartedly believe in prophecy and want to be a part of it. If it’s foretold then why is their participation even required? Hm? Should happen nevertheless, do they even think about that? There is no thinking taking place, that’s what.

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Rhonda Bartz's avatar

You are correct. Many are misinformed. That's the politically correct term these days.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Clear communication without misinterpretations versus unclear passages often with contradictory interpretations within the same sentence.

Looking at the structure of any written work will tell you a lot about it's actual author.

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

Dear Dr. Nagasse...

Do you have any familiarity with "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"? It's one of the works of literature I live my life by, the other being of course, "The Lord of the Rings".

Q: What do you get, when you multiply six times nine?

Best,

Capt. Roy Harkness

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Yes, I knew parts of the book, I think I read it many years ago and I watched the movie. There's a lot of unexpectedly profound thoughts in there.

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Adri Mans's avatar

You seems to think that religion is a cult, but actually the existence of everything is a story, a love story to be more accurate, and nothings exists outside and it is on going. This love story has a beginning but not an end, neither for people of Faith. Things exist outside of Faith, what do we believe it doesn't determine what exists, what exits is autonomous of our beliefs but Faith is the eyes of the unseen that still exists but our own limitations doesn't allow us to see it. An intelligent design is obvios behind everything that exists. It is too complex, too rich to believe that existence is a coincidence, actually not only the Greeks but all the people of the antiquity knew this, they didn't agree in the WHO or the HOW but they knew that were things that were beyond of the seen world, outside of the natural world who has its own rules and laws (natural law) and if we break them bad things happen. It is not really hard to understand this. It Is logical. The questions is:

Does faith and reason agree? Because there are so many things hard to believe. And the answer is that of course, Faith and reason cannot have any real disagreement because the same self being (Creator) who reveals mysteries and infuses into us Faith bestowed on us the light of reason. God (creator being) cannot contradict himself nor can truth be opposed to truth (principle of non contradiction, a thing cannot be two different and oposites things at the same time). Just because something seems hard to believe does not spell any contradiction to reason.

I know we live in times of fallacies and relativism and we are not well taught about logical thinking but there are a reality or truth that is objetive and independent of our "feelings" and "thoughts". And that is the reason why we can find the Truth if we look for it. Truth with capital T is beyond us and It cannot be modified by us but we are in confusing times in which everybody have their own truths, my truth or yours. This is what brings chaos and disintegration of the psych and the reason we are experiencing madness in this time in history, men believe they can be women and viceversa, parents sterilized their children with hormones to stop their natural growing, men state that they are women to compite with real women in sports and always win and that is allowed!!!!!!! Mad World!

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Read everything I write very carefully. Not all thought systems are "cults", and I leave almost all my articles with the last logical steps unspoken, because the reader has to make the final steps to the logical conclusion(s), otherwise there will be no comprehension. Truth has to be reified in the mind of the reader, it cannot be dictated to anyone.

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Brandon Pringle's avatar

Thank you Dr Nagase❗ Great Observations ❤ Since there are many who do not understand everything about this topic, here are some important clarifications needed.

A Creator who is Omniscient, and Omnipresent - God - can tell us what is going to happen in the future, without violating free will because He exists outside of time.

Dr Kent Hovind explains this brilliantly here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6AHcv19NIc

Physicists have confirmed and have told us for many years that there was a specific moment that time and space (in the limited human way that we have the capability to understand it) was created 💥

We must not confuse God and His Ways and His power and ability with what puny human beings do.

There is no comparison whatsoever ✔

There are people who have chosen to be children of God, and there people who have chosen to be children of satan 🛑

The brilliant philosopher Peter Hitchens explains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnIH4gomOqc

You yourself have been a victim of untold and horrific abuses committed by children of satan, and I am so grieved by what has been done to you 😥 I wish I could do more to help you than pray for you. But since that is something, I can do, I do pray for you. I will continue to pray for you for justice for you and your family. I will NEVER forget your brave and courageous speech about forgiveness in Rimbey 😇

I have organized a conference in Edmonton this Saturday.

The link to the livestream can be found here: https://suchatime.ca/

I would be greatly honored if you were able to come and speak at one of our upcoming events, and I hope soon that I will have the resources to pay you to come 🙏

The injustices committed against you and your family are unconscionable😲🤮

Your story must be told and shouted and from the rooftops❗ Never again ❗

Many prayers. Sincerely, Brandon 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Thank you.

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ApexPredator's avatar

Hi Daniel

Your "logical" (quasi logical? fuzzy logical?) assumptions are ... interesting. You seems to think that your assumption are logical because you find them logical. Interesting.

1. Creator/created

If God created the Universe then HE IS NOT part of the Universe. He is "above" it. Check: Aristotle, first cause, first mover. Just browse those words.

In short: space and time are part of the created Universe.

God is above space and time.

HE does not exist in time.

Therefore yes, for GOD "it already happend".

Yet, it doesn't mean you do not have a freedom to change the future.

You do! I do. All of us have it because we exist in time. Tomorrow is a future for us. Next beat of my heart is a a future for me. And next beat of yours for you.

Changing the future is boring IMO.

Anyway, back to your logical fallacy.

Imagine some sort of computer program where "characters" are allowed to move freely and act freely within limits of the created engine and program itself. They do have free will to do whatever they like. Program is executed. It runs to it natural end. Somebody watching replay isn't breaking characters free will. Yet knows the outcome.

Now, "Watcher" can warn characters about outcome by implemented message (prophecy/ies). And of course it will change actions of some characters. Program is re-run. Outcome stays the same. Life of some characters changed. They still had free will. Simply changed their choices.

VERY IMPORTANT part!

Watcher didn't add "prophesies" after first run. He created the program so he KNEW what the TOTAL OUTCOME will be before he run it. "Prophesies" were implemeted as a part of the program.

UNDERSTAND.

Difference does NOT change anything in individual choices made by characters. Still there is no re-run.

Program is running only ONCE.

VERY IMPORTANT

Watcher is all knowing and allmighty. "Hologram/Virtual Universe" theory is bs for same "geniuses" who previously fell for Big Bang theory (pure Creatio ex Nihilo BTW, very "scientific" ;)

Watcher can observe each and every character at the same time. He sometimes do help characters when they beg Him for help. It does not change the outcome in general but sometimes change individual choices of many characters.

Again - I can not explain it easier as we are living IN TIME. Watcher isn't. God CREATED TIME. GOD IS ABOVE TIME. I can only use poor analogies.

Your statement "If prophecy is an inevitable foretelling of the future (...)

then We are all robots with predetermined actions." has at least two errors/fallacies in it.

Aquarist does not live in aquarium. It is that simple.

Causality isn't equal to determinism!!! It is more complicated but no, you can not logically prove there is no free will if prophecies are true.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Well thought out, but based on 1 assumption that god does not exist in his own universe.

1 universe is actually everything. For how big the universe actually is, without the 1 dimensional time with 3 dimensions of space thought limitation read this:

https://danielnagase.substack.com/p/time-travel-a-fun-sci-fi-thought

If you comprehend this, you'll comprehend why people who have access to a looking glass (As described in the CIA documents project looking glass) are freaking out.

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ApexPredator's avatar

Well, all kudos to Aristotle and Saint Thomas the Aquinas. They were both intelectual titans. Aquinas famously said "I only archived what I archived because I was sitting on the shoulders of giant". Perhaps but still he was a giant sitting on the shoulders of a giant. Funny, cause he was actual giant. We are talking perfectly proportioned bull, well over 6 feet tall :)

"Assumption" that God (first mover, first cause) doesn't exist in His own universe is obvious.

As your own (interesting I admit!) intelectual speculation goes - you can only observe dimentions when you are at least 1 level above. Isn't it exactly the same with WORKING with dimentions? You can shape/create 2D object only when you are 3D+

Can you explain what is your solution to this paradox?

As for infinite Universe of infinite timelines it is soooo boooring.

Really funny conclusion of infinite timelines is that THERE IS NO FREE WILL. Every possible option of choice exist and is equally valid.

I think I found one typo btw.

"What about the rule that every dimension is only viewable from 1 or more dimensions above? That means that if the observer can only see fate, then that observer is looking at a 4th dimensional timeline from the 5th or higher dimension."

Didn't you mean from 5th and only 5th? Cause from 6+ observer will be watching "strings" of timelines, not just one timeline (fate).

Cheers!

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

6 is hard for most people to imagine. But if you can see a 5 dimensional time area composed of 4 dimensional time lines, then that is where your "mind's" eye is located. 4th dimension has the property of time, 5th the property of causality, and 6th consciousness.

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Ruth Parry's avatar

I think prophecy is a 'best guess'. Divine Creator gave us free will so nothing is written in stone until we make a choice. Lets pray that our choices will be the right ones more often and that we will make right the errors we make.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Exactly, if a book was written and accurately transcribed as the word of "God", then it would use perfect language to communicate just that. The fact that so many religions have so many claims to the absolute word of god, but within those religions there are so many conflicts from different interpretations,

either means that:

1) It's not the actual words of "God".

or

2) God is not a perfect communicator.

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Tomas Hull's avatar

I’ve touched on many interesting and controversial issues. It implies you are a deep thinker. I applaud it.

Not all religions are the same. There are few evangelical groups that refrain from war. They are religious pacifists.

There are certain things in your post I think that need to be clarified.

““Prophecy” is a foretelling of the future.”

This is true but prophecy does not predict or implies all the details in the future events, which is different from the implications of fate - where it is believed that ALL future events have been predestined and there is nothing we can do about it.

It seems you have confused the terms “freedom” with “free will”. They are not the same thing and in the context of the supernatural the difference is essential.

Also, the ability to discern future events by “supernatural” doesn’t not imply or mean humans have no free will and all details of the future events have been predestined - as per fate belief.

The predictions associated with the expansion of the universe by cosmologists and their inability to do anything about it doesn’t mean they have no free will.

A weatherman’s ability to predict the weather in great detail based on the observations of weather patterns doesn’t mean he is causing the weather or that he likes it.

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Rhonda Bartz's avatar

Prophecy regarding Revelation has been misinterpreted. Satan has deceived even the church's, and false teaching is not only a plague in our schools. This is why God warns of false prophets.

("In a general sense, a prophet is a person who speaks God’s truth to others. The English word prophet comes from the Greek word prophetes, which can mean “one who speaks forth” or “advocate.” Prophets are also called “seers,” because of their spiritual insight or their ability to “see” the future.

In the Bible, prophets often had both a teaching and revelatory role, declaring God’s truth on contemporary issues while also revealing details about the future.")

There are many interpretations of Revelations and only God knows the specifics in real time as the almighty plays this chess game with The Adversary.

It is a misconception that we don't have freedom. We do have freedom and there is prophecy. Our actions do determine how the prophecies play out but the end results will not change. The horesmen, trumpets and bowls will arrive but we do as individuals have freedom as to how these events will affect us personally.

God is in control of the big picture but details are up to us.

As for the question, "Is This the time?" I believe it is. As much as there is obscurity in the symbolism there are also some clear clues regarding 'the season'. It seems to me that all of the things God has said will happen, has happened...Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until ALL (emphasis added) these things take place.” Matthew 24:34. There are events such as Israel becoming a State in 1948 and celestial events that haven't happened up until 'our generation' (September 2017 was a big one).

Sure, there is much open to debate but God made it clear that we will not know the hour. The objective is to be ready! Or are you going to miss the boat?

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

Where did God came from?

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

Or shall I say who created GOD? God to me is a reason for existence. God is a metaphor for something humans can't explain. Those who say to know God actually know nothing, just like a mosquito can't understand the Universe that mosquito is part of. I am in no way putting down Christianity as a philosophy. I just question because I know so little.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

If you follow your train of thought completely, you will know something more important than who, you will know why.

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

You right, I did not follow my train of thought as I should.

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Herb Spence's avatar

How do you know a mosquito can't understand the universe that mosquito is part of? Aren't they doing what they were set out to do or do you think they have a higher calling?

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

I keep bees . The way their instinct works, that is a higher calling of the Universe man can't match. Man in a tribe is the dumbest animal on Earth very destructive to all it touch bees included.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

I learned something about bee colonies while traveling in Japan. Bee colonies leave the most dangerous and deadly jobs to the elderly. When a bee hatches from a pupae, its first job is tending to the other pupae. When it grows up its next job is staying close to the hive to defend it. Only when it is oldest does it take up the most dangerous job of flying kilometers away to collect honey, where up to 50% of bees never return.

The beekeeper told me that human society should be arranged that way. Only the elderly should be sent to war while young adults should stay and tend to their families.

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

I keep bees since I was a child never smoke them it disturbed them for days, ancient instinct , fire means death to the colony and almost never use a veil, harder to find the queen ,just be careful , do not be like a bear, crushing the bees and frames, when bees are crushed , the bees smell it and get angry. I feel that Japanese beekeeper is not correct, it is the older darker bees that sting more and also guard the hive. I feel despite what the computer say. During the honey flow most of the bees are out even the blackish old one. Perhaps Japanese keep different kind of bees I have 2 kinds Carnelian dark bees, good for cold climate and New Zealand Italian yellow bees they are robbers, reproduce rapidly but more prone to diseases, but gentle bees good honey producers. The Japanese beekeeper is correct on one point, the young bees stay home , look after the larva , human young instead of going to war to be killed let the old do the fighting. Never will happen.

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

The way human doing the mosquito might have a higher calling than humans

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

Good point

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Marc Smith's avatar

That makes zero sense. If the future is locked in and foretold, therefore there’s no freedom at all to change that. You can’t wriggle and gaslight your way out of that. Word salad is not an argument.

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Amy Jones's avatar

It makes no sense to a non-Believer like yourself. Jesus is coming back is a fact. Don't be fooled by the Vatican. Be prepared. Repent your sins and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior if you want to go to heaven when you die.

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Marc Smith's avatar

Christianity today reminds me exactly of the recent phenomenon of mask wearing.

Most of the population jumped on the bandwagon not because they believed in it, but just so there would be no chance to be thought of as a bad person.

Now people have realized the trick inherent in the masks and most of the population not only don’t wear masks, but will not ever wear them again. Thats over for good.

What we see are a very few holdouts still wearing masks, those who lack the capacity to see they’re tricked, because now they can claim to be an elite minority in possession of true knowledge.

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Marc Smith's avatar

The remaining Christians think that they don’t need an argument, they can just endlessly repeat the same phrases they were taught as innocent programmable children and stamp their feet as if that’s all there is to an argument.

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Paul Koop's avatar

Really a lack of logical thinking in religious circles does not indicate lack of truth. It is evident to me that mathematicians and scientists no longer work in spiritual practice and spiritual teachers have acquiesced to not participate in mathematics and science for the most part.

The result is a logic and reasoning set that is incompatible and indefensible from either position.

Are you interested in having discussions that merge and blend the two fields?

Prophecy as a concept requires that you consider the interaction of physical experience with spiritual force and design.

If a system is designed a certain way then it will have a very certain outcome. Variability and complexity may occur within a system but an outside force can still exert pressure towards the design and necessary endpoint.

Humans are the complex variable beings interacting within a created universe.

The creative being and process we are subject to allows a certain freedom and applies a correction when consequences become too extreme or threaten the system as designed.

The LEGO movie is an excellent metaphor for this concept. It’s no fun when the pieces are glued together but it wholly obvious that they work better in certain relationships. At the end of the day the designer gets to put the pieces back together according to the original design.

I believe I can participate in creating very beautiful designs and I am given that Freedom by the designer but I can also be destructive.

This arrangement doesn’t offend me because I have a personal relationship with the designer.

This is what I have learned from reading the Bible, it’s not a complete outline for all past and future events , however it is a holy scripture providing wisdom and knowledge to those who treasure it’s power and function.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

People who know god vs people who believe in god are two very different creatures. Most who claim to know god are liars because those who actually know god immediately realize the paradox that comes together with the knowledge.

Any system the size of the universe to remain functional for billions of years probably has a significant degree of logical and functional reason to avoid collapse.

Hence my assertion that truth stands all tests of reason, question and logic, no matter where it comes from, be it mathematics, science or religion.

https://danielnagase.substack.com/p/what-is-a-living-thing

This article is what I wrote about the divisions between the fields of knowledge are all artificial. Philosophy complete is religion, mathematics complete is philosophy, and science complete has no divisions between itself and art.

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Paul Koop's avatar

Thanks for replying to my comment , I do believe I read your previous article on knowledge and truth.

I have some questions as to the boundaries that we have chosen to define our exploration in the disciplines of science, physics, math, philosophy

You might have noticed I chose not to use god or God in my previous post, I noted you translated my creator/designer comment into ‘god’. I am not offended but I am curious as to why that is how you want to define my comments. You certainly have my respect and I do believe you are an extremely intelligent and discerning individual so I am sure it is a decision.

My faith does originate in a classic evangelical Christian tradition but I know the history of the institutions and religious practices and have done my best evaluation on their evolution and continue to do so as new information is available to me.

I like to exercise the thinking you refer not in your articles , but I am not triggered by your somewhat edgy approach to the subject. I like the challenge you are presenting , respectfully I am interested in knowing if you are looking to instruct from a position of authority or are you open to discussion?

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Marc Smith's avatar

Have you even bothered to ask me if I have these concerns or are you just deciding for me with the most extreme wisdom like you have the omniscient powers of a god? You believe in god, that doesn’t give you the powers of a god. Remember that you believe in god, you are not god.

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Amy Jones's avatar

Thanks for this 🙏 As Christians, we need to share the gospel and try to save souls 🙏

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Sharon R Bradley-Munn's avatar

I believe you are struggling to understand ‘free will’ within a context of the autonomous self and the Divine order. Whereas if there was no overarching Plan for history and individual callings—as prophetically spoken, there would be no limit to self autonomy and therefore in the exercising of one’s own personal freedoms, the freedoms of the other person would be infringed upon. This is a moral relativism void of God—humanism if you will. You are wrong in your synopsis on prophecy. There is a grand overarching historical teleology transpiring—an outline designed by creator God—even the Christ man. A path that allows all the freedom in the world for the individual to choose to come into alignment or act of one’s own violation. In finding one’s Divine purpose and calling there is beauty, and fulfillment and even then the freedom to do as one feels so compelled still exists. The difference is-as such persons—the one, twos, and multitudes who individually accept Christ and freely choose to seek after Truth and abandon one’s own fallen nature, an innate compelling—given by the Holy Spirit aligns them with their Divine Destiny within this Prophetic order. While on the other hand, those who abuse freedoms or seek to be self-made and carve out their own destiny will fall short. Humanity was born in sin, and without having one’s mind renewed, simply cannot attain unto the good life. Just as heaven exists so does hell. I hope this helps.

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Amy Jones's avatar

"someone's plan" - that someone is God. You clearly don't know and understand the scriptures. You're not a Believer. Jesus is returning to earth and He gave his disciple John the Revelations. The devil is very clever, sneaky and seductive. Awake Christians have discernment and can tell the truth from a lie.

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Paul Frohlich's avatar

Who wrote the Bible? If the scrolls found in Tibet in 1927 by two friars , are real, than Jesus is or was a good philosopher. He said " The Kingdom of God is within you, just seek and you discover, and when you discover you will be amazed" He did not say God is in the Church or any writings but within each of you. Not out there full of man seeking power and lie to you to achieve that power.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

What is "discernment"? Is it a stepwise process that can prove a statement to be true or not?

For example "This is True". Any liar can say "This is True", but only a truth teller can prove it.

Do you have any Proof of your statements through reason?

Any True document will always stand tests of Consistency and Reason.

While some things in the English bible stand the test of reason, some do not - prophecy being one of them.

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Herb Spence's avatar

I don't know about that Daniel. It seems that most people that went to the Uni especially those with a "science" education took the kill shot. I have seen a number of less educated people who never learned a stepwise process reject the poison. Discernment might just be a spiritual matter and perhaps and instinct above science.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Most educated doctors took the shot as well. Truth is not a majority vote. It doesn't have any fudge factors like discernment either. When you know what a truth looks like, and test it in every way possible, you'll be amazed at its exactness and perfection.

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ebear's avatar

Belief systems often come into conflict. It's in the nature of belief systems that they inevitably do because what we regard as fundamental elements of our beliefs others see as deception or human error. Thus we tend to talk past each other because we lack a common frame of reference. Neither side will acknowledge what the other perceives as fundamental to their beliefs because their belief system itself excludes the possibility.

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Amy Jones's avatar

Discernment is telling the difference between a Lie and the Truth. The devil is very much at play in this world, he's the master of deception, trickery and seduction. Anything or anyone who tries to dissuade you from the Truth of the Word of God is of the devil. The reason why most Christians are "antivaxxers" is because the Bible warns you about pharmakia poison, and the snake is symbolic of the devil.

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Amy Jones's avatar

You'll see someday

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